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Luchoxtrab (talk · contributions · deleted user contributions · recent activity · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth) (Activity: Talk Commons DR)
- Scheduled to end: 08:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to become an admin mainly to contribute to file deletion requests. I also want to learn more about the world of being an admin. I hope you find my apply useful. Thank you in advance for those who vote - Luchoxtrab (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Votes
[edit]Oppose Too soon. You should first get some experience as patroller or/and image reviewer. Yann ( talk) 14:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose thanks for volunteering but in my opinion you need some more experience in DRs and uploading before becoming an admin.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I would like the user to better understand why we retain redirects for files and categories. More understanding of the nuances in that space. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose - Only 1886 edits on Commons, that looks more like a beginner, but it's possible this user has some skills to become admin, but not now, imho. - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose - 1) You don't need to be an admin "to contribute to file deletion requests," 2) as of this self-request, you'd contributed to only one deletion request since at least 2021, 3) the participation there is highly problematic. Your opinion there is almost certainly wrong with respect to US copyright (compare to, for example, the Jamba Juice logo at COM:TOO United States), is completely silent about Azerbaijani copyright (and indeed silent that that needs to be a consideration), and you even tried to close that DR--one you alone have !voted in--as deleted as much as twice ([1][2]). Эlcobbola talk 14:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per above. Concerns with limited experience -Fastily 08:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose --A.Savin 14:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Comments
[edit]Please put babelbox in your userpage to show, which languages you are able to communicate in. Taivo (talk) 09:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- What kind of experience do you have in deletion requests?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. For example: applying {{speedydelete}} or deletion requests for files… Luchoxtrab (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I just discovered, that you are not even autopatroller. Isn't it too big step to become an administrator without being autopatroller? Taivo (talk) 08:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment Absolutely not. I have just found examples where they have modified DRs to closed and attempted to make the decision for the community. Apart from it should not have happened, I believe that they showed why they are not ready for the role. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Question You blanked Commons:Deletion requests/File:Azərbaycan Televiziya logo.png after it was created and then replaced it with a redirect to the file page, and then you tagged the redirect for speedy deletion. How did you think there?Jonteemil (talk) 23:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Requests for license reviewer rights
[edit]Requests for permission to run a bot
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- Operator: Taylor 49 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
- Bot: Taylorbot (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
- Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: move ca 34'000 files from Category:Audio files in Kotava to Category:Kotava pronunciation to make category use consistent with other languages, the uploader has agreed
- Automatic or manually assisted: automatic, supervised at the beginning
- Edit type: one time run as needed
- Maximum edit rate: 12 edits / mi
- Bot flag requested YES
- Creator of the bot code: myself (the operator)
- Programming language(s): ASM+BAS
Taylor 49 (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please make test run. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:EugeneZelenko
Done 100 files moved. Taylor 49 (talk) 12:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks OK for me. However, usual naming for pronunciation files is <language code>-<word>, so looks like another task for your bot. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:EugeneZelenko @User:Kotavusik Agree that following the standard naming pattern would be good. My bot recently acquired renaming/moving capability. But moving to another title and moving into another cat AFAIK cannot be done in a single request. So my bot will have to run through the ca 34'000 files two times anyway. Can you give the flag and approve the recategorization now? For the renaming I would like to hear an opinion of the uploader. Plus, many of those files are used, thus renaming them would require subsequent editing of other wikis, partially of such where I do NOT have a bot flag yet. Anyway, I will have to find out a way how to read out automatically on what wikis the files are used. But it might be a good idea to add sorting hints/keys when recategorizing, and do this not only on moved files, but also on those that are already in Category:Kotava pronunciation. Taylor 49 (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:EugeneZelenko @User:Kotavusik Semms that most files have names consisting of just the bare word, but some are suffixed by
(avk)
for example File:Pabú (avk).wav. So the new name would be constructed by stripping of(avk)
if such can be found, and addingAvk-
. So far no files begin withAvk-
. What to do about broken "File:JustaxoAudio files in Kotava.wav" and "File:BakesikJen elparolo de vorto en Kotavao.wav" ? Taylor 49 (talk) 11:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:EugeneZelenko @User:Kotavusik Semms that most files have names consisting of just the bare word, but some are suffixed by
- @User:EugeneZelenko @User:Kotavusik Agree that following the standard naming pattern would be good. My bot recently acquired renaming/moving capability. But moving to another title and moving into another cat AFAIK cannot be done in a single request. So my bot will have to run through the ca 34'000 files two times anyway. Can you give the flag and approve the recategorization now? For the renaming I would like to hear an opinion of the uploader. Plus, many of those files are used, thus renaming them would require subsequent editing of other wikis, partially of such where I do NOT have a bot flag yet. Anyway, I will have to find out a way how to read out automatically on what wikis the files are used. But it might be a good idea to add sorting hints/keys when recategorizing, and do this not only on moved files, but also on those that are already in Category:Kotava pronunciation. Taylor 49 (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks OK for me. However, usual naming for pronunciation files is <language code>-<word>, so looks like another task for your bot. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:EugeneZelenko
Operator: Emijrp (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: add depict value in people images when such image is used in P18 property in the Wikidata item.
Automatic or manually assisted: automatic
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): continuous
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 1 edit/sec
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): no (it already has)
Programming language(s): python
emijrp (talk) 16:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- How about setting Prominent status? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it's possible. If nobody says otherwise here, bot will mark them as prominent. emijrp (talk) 15:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. If they are used to illustrate wikidata entries, they should be sufficent to be marked as "prominent" here. Please tag these kind of edits from the bot with Special:Tags "
BotSDC
". This can be added during the editentity api call as an additional parameter. This will allow people to effectively filter these type of edits from their watchlist, if they wish to do so. --Schlurcher (talk)- OK, adding that suggestion too. emijrp (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. If they are used to illustrate wikidata entries, they should be sufficent to be marked as "prominent" here. Please tag these kind of edits from the bot with Special:Tags "
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AkbarBot
Operator: Akbarali (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought:
- Upload files bulk to wikimedia commons,
- Add descriptions , caption and file name
Automatic or manually assisted:
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Intermittently
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 8 edits per minute
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): y
Programming language(s): Pywikibot, Python scripts are on PAWS https://hub-paws.wmcloud.org/hub/spawn-pending/Akbarali
Akbarali (talk) 13:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- What are origins of each batch (at least in foreseeable future)? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Operator: Fl.schmitt (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: HandleCommonsOnOSMBot tries to add {{Object location}} and {{On OSM}} templates for Commons Files that are used on OpenStreetMap (using attributes wikimedia_commons or image). Insofar, HandleCommonsOnOSMBot relies on the work of Usage Bot and goes through the media listed on the Files used on OpenStreetMap pages (see also this bot request).
Automatic or manually assisted: Automatic
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Continuous
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 12-15
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y
Programming language(s): Python (pywikibot)
Fl.schmitt (talk) 20:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Thanks for doing this. Maybe it's worth tracking images for which the bot tried to retrieve coordinates, but for some reason can't. This avoids re-trying them if the bot runs again or restarts. The "Usage Bot" that maintains the lists does update them though. Enhancing999 (talk) 22:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea - this would require some sort of blacklist, i think. Maybe evaluating the bot logs timely would be sufficient? Fl.schmitt (talk) 05:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's a non-issue. You could just run it for a while and see how it goes. If needed, add some logic later. Enhancing999 (talk) 07:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea - this would require some sort of blacklist, i think. Maybe evaluating the bot logs timely would be sufficient? Fl.schmitt (talk) 05:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Please make a small test run. --Krd 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd: Test run finished with five edits. Captchas were a little bit annoying :-) Fl.schmitt (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Krd 17:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I take it the coordinates match. I'm a bit hesitant about {{On OSM}}. Apparently others use it too [3], but the layout and wording doesn't seem ideal for files. Maybe a new template could be made for filenamespace (thus the exact wording for this use can be changed easily). At File:1347 Matterhorn.jpg, I add some stuff with "other fields", which blends it into the template. Enhancing999 (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Enhancing999 - using the
other fields
parameter for{{On OSM}}
sounds interesting. I've just modified "Altes Kirchle" voller Kunstschätze. 01.jpg manually, moving the{{On OSM}}
inside a{{InFi}}
and adding it to theother fields
parameter. For me. this looks ok. Anyway, since the bot's main effort is adding the coordinates, maybe the best option is to "shelve" the{{On OSM}}
question and restrict the bot to the location template. Fl.schmitt (talk) 07:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Somwhow it still looks overly highlighted. I'd still keep the ids around somewhere. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Enhancing999 ah, ok - now i think i got it. What about "Altes Kirchle" voller Kunstschätze. 01.jpg now? I've created a new template for textual OSM links (
{{OSMLink}}
) without any other fancy stuff which should fit nicely into the `other_fields` paratemer using{{Information field}}
. Thus we have a link, a category and the OSM id. Fl.schmitt (talk) 12:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Looks ok. I'd include {{Information field}} directly in {{OSMLink}} Enhancing999 (talk) 12:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, good idea! Done :-) Maybe i'll find a way to add the OSM icon next to the link, so it's marked as "external" link. Fl.schmitt (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Better no icon, this is misleading because it behaves differently from the location link icon. Fl.schmitt (talk) 12:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, good idea! Done :-) Maybe i'll find a way to add the OSM icon next to the link, so it's marked as "external" link. Fl.schmitt (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks ok. I'd include {{Information field}} directly in {{OSMLink}} Enhancing999 (talk) 12:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Enhancing999 ah, ok - now i think i got it. What about "Altes Kirchle" voller Kunstschätze. 01.jpg now? I've created a new template for textual OSM links (
- Somwhow it still looks overly highlighted. I'd still keep the ids around somewhere. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Enhancing999 - using the
- I take it the coordinates match. I'm a bit hesitant about {{On OSM}}. Apparently others use it too [3], but the layout and wording doesn't seem ideal for files. Maybe a new template could be made for filenamespace (thus the exact wording for this use can be changed easily). At File:1347 Matterhorn.jpg, I add some stuff with "other fields", which blends it into the template. Enhancing999 (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Krd 17:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- File:'La Brabançonne' (15607113426).jpg has depicts statement, so coordinates and OpenStreetMap identifier should be taken from Wikidata. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting point that shortly puzzled me, but it's due to Schlurcherbot re-copying the coordinates since the test run. Enhancing999 (talk) 14:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @EugeneZelenko - thank you for your feedback, but - to be honest - I would generally expect OpenStreetMap to provide "better" (more reliable and more precise) coordinates than Wikidata, especially in an urban area. OpenStreetMap doesn't have coordinates assigned to media, but vice versa, media assigned to quite precise geographical information. In the case of La Brabançonne, Wikidata has
50°51'4"N, 4°22'5"E
while OSM offers50° 50′ 56.18″ N, 4° 22′ 05.97″ E
. Please compare yourself on Google Maps or OpenStreetMap (just c&p both values in the respective search boxes): in the real world, those values may amount to a difference of ca. 240 meters ("beeline") according to Google Maps! For me, that example shows why it may be quite useful for Commons and Wikidata if we could make use of OSM data. Fl.schmitt (talk) 15:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- Obviously, fixing coordinates on Wikidata would benefit not only Commons, but other projects. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly! But to fix them, we need the OSM data. It seems you're asking for a different bot than mine: HandleWikidataOnOsm, evaulating the wikidata attribute of OSM nodes/ways/relations. Would be very nice but doesn't help for Commons media lacking a depicts attribute / a wikidata object. That's the case for many of the Files used on OpenStreetMap: Those hiking fingerposts and wayside shrines usually don't have wikidata, they don't have "depicts", and precise location would be useful anyway. Fl.schmitt (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- So fix mismatches in the source (Wikidata), not individual re-users of shared data. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- File depicts statements seem to have undergone quite a lot of deletions recently. I'm not sure if the link "file depicts - Wikidata item location coordinates" to "File image depicted coordinates (per OSM)" is 1:1.
- The proposal here is merely for geocoding photos. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Whole point of this thread is to define proper process for geocoding photos when depicts statement is available. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's easy: proper process is to ignore it. There are over 2,2 Million OSM
nodes
with an unique wikidata link (that's the set of wikidata items where precise coordinates are available), while there are ca. 220,000 wikimedia_commons references on OSM. Of those 220,000, only small subset has a "depicts" statement. Thus, handling that case (which is quite difficult) would have a very limited benefit, while most part of the task (handling the remaining 2,2 million wikidata entries) is still to be done. This is why I said that we clearly need OSM data, but it's a bot task on its own to reconcile Wikidata with OSM. Fl.schmitt (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Postscriptum: "ignore it" refers to the "depicts" statement, not to the photo... Fl.schmitt (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it really huge task for bot? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if it's a huge task for a bot. What matters is that it's huge task for me to create such a bot. You're requesting a completely new feature which wasn't part of the initial bot work request. I'm not some sort of AI that delivers nice code on keypress. I'm neither a Python professional nor did i have any experience using Pywikibot before starting the project "HandleCommonsOnOSMBot". I simply picked a bot work request and tried to offer a working solution to improve Wikimedia content, which took me hours of work. Others may do such things faster, but i'm no professional developer. So – yes, it's a huge task, at least for me. Fl.schmitt (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- One more point: The OSM wiki explicitly prohibits copying data from OSM into Wikidata. There's no similar restriction regarding other Wikimedia wikis, as far as i see. So, you're requesting a different, new feature not only in technical terms but also in legal terms - maybe it's even simply prohibited. Fl.schmitt (talk) 17:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's reasonable to make a bot as best as possible, even if it'll take some time to implement. If there are legal problem, bot could create list of Wikidata items that require coordinates correction and later you could fix them manually. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it really huge task for bot? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Postscriptum: "ignore it" refers to the "depicts" statement, not to the photo... Fl.schmitt (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's easy: proper process is to ignore it. There are over 2,2 Million OSM
- Whole point of this thread is to define proper process for geocoding photos when depicts statement is available. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- So fix mismatches in the source (Wikidata), not individual re-users of shared data. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly! But to fix them, we need the OSM data. It seems you're asking for a different bot than mine: HandleWikidataOnOsm, evaulating the wikidata attribute of OSM nodes/ways/relations. Would be very nice but doesn't help for Commons media lacking a depicts attribute / a wikidata object. That's the case for many of the Files used on OpenStreetMap: Those hiking fingerposts and wayside shrines usually don't have wikidata, they don't have "depicts", and precise location would be useful anyway. Fl.schmitt (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously, fixing coordinates on Wikidata would benefit not only Commons, but other projects. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder how long the bot should wait for new additions to the list?
- Maybe Commons:Files_used_on_OpenStreetMap/177 should only be processed once there is Commons:Files_used_on_OpenStreetMap/178. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how Usage Bot works in Detail, esp. if it modifies existing galleries of externally-used media or just adds new galleries. But I think handling that case isn't necessary. The bot has to check every single file in those galleries for the actions required anyway (adding Location, adding OSMLink or both). Since this requires read operations but no write/update, it doesn't affect the bot's edit rate, so I think it isn't a real problem if the bot visits a certain gallery multiple times. Fl.schmitt (talk) 09:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was rather think of OSM being sufficiently stable .. but then I have no idea of their quality control mecanisms. After the initial rather run, it might want to process new entries with some delay. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt that there are any formal / technical quality control mechanisms, at least regarding the
wikimedia_commons
attribute. Just take a look at the way the references to commons are set: The OSM wiki advices to just set theFile:...
orCategory:...
name as attribute value, but there are many entries with full URLs. Additionally, AFAIK there's no mechanism to update the attribute value after the File or Category was renamed. So, I think it's no mistake to check those galleries multiple times, maybe also logging renamed media that requires an update on OSM. Fl.schmitt (talk) 13:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt that there are any formal / technical quality control mechanisms, at least regarding the
- I was rather think of OSM being sufficiently stable .. but then I have no idea of their quality control mecanisms. After the initial rather run, it might want to process new entries with some delay. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how Usage Bot works in Detail, esp. if it modifies existing galleries of externally-used media or just adds new galleries. But I think handling that case isn't necessary. The bot has to check every single file in those galleries for the actions required anyway (adding Location, adding OSMLink or both). Since this requires read operations but no write/update, it doesn't affect the bot's edit rate, so I think it isn't a real problem if the bot visits a certain gallery multiple times. Fl.schmitt (talk) 09:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
ImagehashBot (talk · contribs)
[edit]Operator:
- Zache (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
- Ipr1 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: adding pHash checksum (P9310) and Imagehash difference hash (P12563) values to the photos.
- Documentation for the hashes
- pHash: https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/432-Looks-Like-It.html
- dHash: https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/529-Kind-of-Like-That.html
- Example images with P9310 and P12563 values
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Patricia-Seppala-1995.jpg
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jean-Sibelius-1927.jpg
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Potato_crop_lifting_(JOKAMT2Ju29-2).tif
First targets are photos from Europeana, Estonian, Finland, Sweden and Flickr, but long term target is to add imagehashes to all commons photos. Currently we have used FinnaUploadBot for Finna images. Reason for the new account is to make dedicated account and service for the non Finna related edits.
Automatic or manually assisted: automatic
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): first a batch jobs, later continuous
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute):
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y
Programming language(s):
Zache (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- What is use for such hashes? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- One can use them to compare the similarity of pictures by checking how much the identifiers differ to detect duplicates and match photos in different repositories. We have used image hashes to prevent duplicates when uploading files and to prevent the wrong photos from being updated when reuploading photos from Finna with better quality and/or updating metadata. --Zache (talk) 16:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Such hashes make much more sense as part of Commons database. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- In SDC they are filemetadata and in particular using SPARQL it would be easy way for querying and sharing the hashes for external usage. Ie. it is part of metadata for the files. Zache (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also, even if the information would be added to the Wikimedia Commons database (there are good technical reasons why one would like to use an external service instead of adding this to the MediaWiki core), I would like to note that we are populating SDC values from the Commons internal database using bots. Most notable in this context are the SHA-1 checksum, mime type, image width, and image height. (Commons:Structured data/Modeling/Meta) And yes, there would be probaply better ways to do this, but currently using bots is the preferred method. --Zache (talk) 06:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any community discussion that such data shall be generated at large scale? Krd 06:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not aware that there would have been a wider discussion. Current discussions, to my knowledge, are related to the Fæ's User:Fæ/Imagehash and village pump discussions 1 and 2. In my structured data property proposal in 2021, there were no follow-up comments in Wikimedia Commons. Phabricator has some tickets (for example, phab:T121797) related to image hashing.
- Also, just for background, I am running ImageHash-Toolforge, which has approximately 25% of Wikimedia Commons bitmap images (jpg, tiff, png) indexed with phash and dhash. I also made a Wikimania lightning talk proposal for it. (Proposals are currently under review.) My current idea was to proceed gradually when adding values to SDC, and my current personal need was to add hashes to European and Estonian photos before the Wikimedia Hackathon, Tallinn, in May so they would be available there. (see my question in Commons_talk:Bots/Requests#Extending_FinnaUploadBot).
- However, if you think I should do the village pump discussion or the discussion on the Structured Data talk pages, I am happy to start these. --Zache (talk) 07:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please do. Krd 05:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Now I made a village pump proposal --Zache (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please do. Krd 05:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any community discussion that such data shall be generated at large scale? Krd 06:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Such hashes make much more sense as part of Commons database. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- One can use them to compare the similarity of pictures by checking how much the identifiers differ to detect duplicates and match photos in different repositories. We have used image hashes to prevent duplicates when uploading files and to prevent the wrong photos from being updated when reuploading photos from Finna with better quality and/or updating metadata. --Zache (talk) 16:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Operator: Svetlov Artem (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought:
- Change date=2004-07-17 12:00:00 to date={{Taken on|2004-07-17 12:00:00|location=Russia}} or Russian subregions for photos in manually selected categories.
- Creating categories like Category:Tula_Oblast_photographs_taken_on_2004-07-17 and Category:Russia_photographs_taken_on_2004-07-17 if not exists.
- Remove [[Category:Russia photographs taken on 2004-07-17]] from file description if edit is success.
Automatic or manually assisted:
Automatic unsupervised on manually set categories by bot operator
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): multiple manual run
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 10
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y
Programming language(s): pywikibot
Svetlov Artem Bot (talk) 18:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Please make test run. Also bot account should not be used for generic edits like this request. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Here is contributions: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Svetlov_Artem_Bot
- I used to run this bot from my main account last year, and user @User:Cryptic-waveform asked me to run it from bot account: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Svetlov_Artem#c-Svetlov_Artem-20231107212100-Cryptic-waveform-20231107211900 Svetlov Artem Bot (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please leave the bot account exclusively for your bot's edits.
- Looks good to me. Some files have duplicate {{Taken with}} tags like File:Zukovskiy industrial railway 2022-10 1664723936.JPG for example. Would it be possible to remove the dupes on the fly when dealing with the files? --Achim55 (talk) 18:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- There was some manual inserted templates. Taken on and Taken with are completly diffirent templates, one for date, second for camera. I can not now to automatically edit Taken with template, it need complicated investigation of EXIF camera tags, witch allways differs from real camera names. Svetlov Artem (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
What is the reason to do such edits, in which way does it improve the file page? Is there any community discussion about doing this at large scale? --Krd 06:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I was asked by user @MasterRus21thCentury, may you comment? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Svetlov_Artem#c-MasterRus21thCentury-20231026174700-Category:Russia_photographs_taken_on_2008-05-01
- Such categories useful for discovery photos in series: if someone photographed a train, bus or village house, there is possibility to see other photographs from next village or train line at same day from same user. Svetlov Artem (talk) 16:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't see how this has valid use cases. Please start a community discussion and please report the result. Krd 07:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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GeertivpBot (talk · contribs)
[edit]Operator: Geertivp (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought:
- Add missing SDC depict statements on media files (File namespace)
- Add missing Wikidata Infobox template to Category pages (Category namespace)
Automatic or manually assisted: Automatically, but monitored
Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Intermittently
Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 8 edits per minute
Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y
Programming language(s): Pywikibot, Python scripts are on GitHub:
- https://github.com/geertivp/Pywikibot/blob/main/add_image_from_sdc.py
- https://github.com/geertivp/Pywikibot/blob/main/copy_label.py
Test runs are here.
Geert Van Pamel (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Could you please elaborate how `depicts` is filled? For example, File:Novosibirsk Regional Museum at night 2.jpg should depict building and condition of shoot (night shoot) should be qualifier. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The image depicts a "night view of the Royal museum", expressed as SDC depicts (P180) nighttime view (Q28333482) with qualifier of (P642) City Trade House (Q19908752), based upon and generated by the original Wikidata statement Q19908752#P3451 City Trade House (Q19908752) nighttime view (P3451) (M19171168). By doing so, both the SDC depict statement in Wikimedia Commons and the Wikidata statement are describing the same fact.
- What qualifier would you use instead? Can you please elaborate more about the exact statement that you would create? Thanks. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe you would like to see: depicts (P180) City Trade House (Q19908752) with qualifier depicted format (P7984) nighttime view (Q28333482)? Please give your point of view/preferences. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- It makes sense to have broader discussion on matter of qualifiers. May be bot should be limited just for subjects for now? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Geertivp: ? --Krd 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Or we might generate two statements without qualifiers:
- depicts (P180) City Trade House (Q19908752)
- depicted format (P7984) nighttime view (Q28333482) Geert Van Pamel (talk) 19:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Geertivp: ? --Krd 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- But here we have the problem that depicted format (P7984) may not be used as a qualifier: d:Property:P7984#P2302 => property scope constraint (Q53869507) as main value (Q54828448). In addition to that it can only be used with work of art (Q838948) entities and requires item-requires-statement constraint (Q21503247) genre (P136), which is in general not the case in this suggested usage. Which other qualifier property could be used instead? Geert Van Pamel (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot follow. Please advise. --Krd 05:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Geertivp: ? Krd 07:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my previous reply I concluded that depicted format (P7984), because of its defined constraints, can't be used as a qualifier and only in some specific domains as work of art (Q838948). So we would need another more generic (currently not existing) property that could be used as a qualifier with a generic meaning of "type of representation", e.g. nighttime view (Q28333482) in the above example. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- What does this mean regarding this request, what should be the conclusion? Krd 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- We would need a new property "type of representation", that could be added as a qualifier to the Depict statements in Wikimedia Commons SDC for all images that are registered in Wikidata, and don't have a image (P18) property in Wikidata. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 07:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are you going to take care of property creation? Krd 09:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- See d:wikidata:property proposal/Type of representation Geert Van Pamel (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Please advise when the discussion is closed. Krd 07:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- See d:wikidata:property proposal/Type of representation Geert Van Pamel (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are you going to take care of property creation? Krd 09:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- We would need a new property "type of representation", that could be added as a qualifier to the Depict statements in Wikimedia Commons SDC for all images that are registered in Wikidata, and don't have a image (P18) property in Wikidata. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 07:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- What does this mean regarding this request, what should be the conclusion? Krd 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- In my previous reply I concluded that depicted format (P7984), because of its defined constraints, can't be used as a qualifier and only in some specific domains as work of art (Q838948). So we would need another more generic (currently not existing) property that could be used as a qualifier with a generic meaning of "type of representation", e.g. nighttime view (Q28333482) in the above example. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Geertivp: ? Krd 07:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot follow. Please advise. --Krd 05:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- It makes sense to have broader discussion on matter of qualifiers. May be bot should be limited just for subjects for now? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe you would like to see: depicts (P180) City Trade House (Q19908752) with qualifier depicted format (P7984) nighttime view (Q28333482)? Please give your point of view/preferences. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
@Geertivp: ? --Krd 05:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- The property has been approved and is implemented. I need some more time to adapt my scripts and to run a few example transactions before I can request the approval of my bot script. I will notify when I am done. --Geert Van Pamel 09:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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